Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du up Rhinog Fawr: route map, distance and time

720 m · Snowdonia

Rhinog Fawr is a rough, heathery mountain in the Rhinogydd, climbed from Cwm Bychan by the Roman Steps.

A hard mountain walk to the summit from Cwrt Forest / Graigddu-isaf car park.

Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du starts at about 265 m and gains 447 m over 4.3 km to 700 m on the track. The first 3 km are the easy part, averaging 6%. The steepest kilometre is the one ending at 4.3 km, which climbs 78 m at an average of 30%. That last pull ends at the summit. About 17% of the way is steeper than 1 in 5, so expect hands-on-knees going and a slow descent.

Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du at a glance

Distance4.3 km one way, to the top
Ascent480 m
Climb on the track447 m up, 15 m down on the way
Start and top of the track252 m to 700 m (summit 720 m)
Steepest 500 mAbout 32%, from 3.7 km
Steeper than 1 in 517% of the way
Time up1h 40m by Naismith's rule
There and back2h 30m, down the same way
GradeHard
StartCwrt Forest / Graigddu-isaf car park, LL41 4YE
Start grid referenceSH 684 302
Summit grid referenceSH 656 290
ParkingCwrt Forest / Graigddu-isaf car park (SH684302)

Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du map

The track from the start (green) to the summit (blue), with a marker at each kilometre.

Height profile and getting to the start

Start 264 m4.3 km to the top
Start grid ref SH 684 302 · Driving directions · By bus or train

Download the Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du GPX

Ascent only: plan your way down. A planning track, not checked on the ground; it doesn't show safe scrambling moves. Track data © OpenStreetMap contributors (ODbL), heights from a terrain model.

Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du kilometre by kilometre

Height, climb and average gradient for each kilometre of the track, with a grid reference at the end of each one to check your position on the map.

AtHeightClimbGradientGrid ref
1 km267 m+2 m0%SH 676 298
2 km333 m+66 m7%SH 667 297
3 km447 m+114 m11%SH 660 296
4 km622 m+176 m18%SH 655 291
4.3 km700 m+78 m30% steepSH 656 290

How long Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du takes

PaceTo the topThere and back
Brisk 6 km/h, 8 min per 100 m up1h 20m2h 5m
Steady (Naismith) 5 km/h, 10 min per 100 m up1h 40m2h 30m
Relaxed 4 km/h, 12 min per 100 m up2h 0m3h 5m

Times leave out stops. Coming down the same way, the table counts the ascent once; steep descents on rough ground can be as slow as the climb.

  • Today: sunrise 07:47, sunset 18:14. Start by 14:44 to be down before dark, allowing 2h 30m for the walk and an hour for stops.
  • Tomorrow: sunrise 07:49, sunset 18:12. Start by 14:42 to be down before dark, allowing 2h 30m for the walk and an hour for stops.

Rhinog Fawr summit weather for this route

There is no recent summit forecast cached for Rhinog Fawr right now. The main Rhinog Fawr page loads the live forecast when you open it. Open the live Rhinog Fawr forecast.

Before you go, also check: MWIS Snowdonia forecast · Met Office mountain forecast.

About Rhinog Fawr

Rhinog Fawr is a rough, heathery mountain in the Rhinogydd, climbed from Cwm Bychan by the Roman Steps. More about Rhinog Fawr, with the live forecast.

On the lists: Hewitt, Nuttall, Marilyn.

Extend the walk: tops near the summit

Challenges that include Rhinog Fawr

More walks from Cwrt Forest / Graigddu-isaf car park

Routes in Peakify's guides that start within 500 m of this one, for another day from the same car park.

Other routes up Rhinog Fawr

RouteDistanceAscentTime upGrade
Cwm Bychan via the Roman Steps4.0 km one way580 m1h 45mHard
Cwm Nantcol western approach8.8 km one way——Hard

In an emergency

Call 999, ask for the police and then mountain rescue. Give your location (the start is at SH 684 302, the summit at SH 656 290), what happened and how many are in your group. If you have no signal for a call, a text to 999 works once you have registered your phone with emergencySMS: text "register" to 999 before you go.

Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du: questions and answers

How far is Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du?

Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du is 4.3 km one way to the summit of Rhinog Fawr, with 480 m of ascent. There and back by the same way is about 8.6 km.

How long does Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du take?

About 1h 40m to the summit of Rhinog Fawr and 2h 30m there and back by Naismith's rule (5 km/h plus 10 minutes per 100 m of ascent), before stops. A relaxed group takes nearer 3h 5m for the round trip.

How steep is Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du?

The steepest 500 m averages about 32%, starting 3.7 km from the start, and 17% of the way is steeper than 1 in 5. Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du climbs 447 m in all on the track.

Where do you park for Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du?

Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du starts from Cwrt Forest / Graigddu-isaf car park (postcode LL41 4YE). The grid reference is SH 684 302. Cwrt Forest / Graigddu-isaf car park (SH684302)

Is Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du suitable for beginners?

Not as a first mountain. Peakify grades it Hard: steep, rough ground where a slip matters. Build up on an easier route first.

What time should I start Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du today?

By 14:44 at the latest. Sunset on Rhinog Fawr today is 18:14, Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du takes about 2h 30m there and back, and that leaves an hour for stops. Start earlier in winter or if the forecast turns.

Is there a GPX for Graigddu-isaf via Llyn Du?

Yes. Download it from this page. It is an ascent-only planning track from the start to the summit, plotted on OpenStreetMap paths and not checked on the ground.