Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths up Y Garn (Snowdonia): route map, distance and time

629 m · Snowdonia

Y Garn is a 629 m Hewitt, Nuttall and Marilyn east of the Rhinogydd in southern Snowdonia, a quiet summit above the Mawddach valley.

A hard mountain walk to the summit from Dolmelynllyn car park, Ganllwyd.

Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths starts at about 54 m and gains 574 m over 4.3 km to 608 m on the track. The first kilometre climbs 41 m. The steepest kilometre is the one ending at 3 km, which climbs 187 m at an average of 19%. The final 0.3 km eases to the top. About 19% of the way is steeper than 1 in 5, so expect hands-on-knees going and a slow descent.

Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths at a glance

Distance4.3 km one way, to the top
Ascent600 m
Climb on the track574 m up, 22 m down on the way
Start and top of the track50 m to 611 m (summit 629 m)
Steepest 500 mAbout 22%, from 2.5 km
Steeper than 1 in 519% of the way
Time up1h 50m by Naismith's rule
There and back2h 45m, down the same way
GradeHard
StartDolmelynllyn car park, Ganllwyd, LL40 2TF
Start grid referenceSH 726 243
Summit grid referenceSH 702 230
ParkingDolmelynllyn car park, Ganllwyd (SH727243)

Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths map

The track from the start (green) to the summit (blue), with a marker at each kilometre.

Height profile and getting to the start

Start 54 m4.3 km to the top
Start grid ref SH 726 243 · Driving directions · By bus or train

Near the start

From OpenStreetMap, within 2 km. Check opening times before you rely on them.

Download the Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths GPX

Ascent only: plan your way down. A planning track, not checked on the ground; it doesn't show safe scrambling moves. Track data © OpenStreetMap contributors (ODbL), heights from a terrain model.

Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths kilometre by kilometre

Height, climb and average gradient for each kilometre of the track, with a grid reference at the end of each one to check your position on the map.

AtHeightClimbGradientGrid ref
1 km95 m+41 m4%SH 724 241
2 km240 m+145 m14%SH 719 234
3 km427 m+187 m19%SH 714 228
4 km586 m+159 m16%SH 705 230
4.3 km608 m+22 m7%SH 702 230

How long Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths takes

PaceTo the topThere and back
Brisk 6 km/h, 8 min per 100 m up1h 30m2h 15m
Steady (Naismith) 5 km/h, 10 min per 100 m up1h 50m2h 45m
Relaxed 4 km/h, 12 min per 100 m up2h 15m3h 20m

Times leave out stops. Coming down the same way, the table counts the ascent once; steep descents on rough ground can be as slow as the climb.

  • Today: sunrise 07:05, sunset 16:53. Start by 13:08 to be down before dark, allowing 2h 45m for the walk and an hour for stops.
  • Tomorrow: sunrise 07:07, sunset 16:51. Start by 13:06 to be down before dark, allowing 2h 45m for the walk and an hour for stops.

Y Garn summit weather for this route

There is no recent summit forecast cached for Y Garn right now. The main Y Garn page loads the live forecast when you open it. Open the live Y Garn forecast.

Before you go, also check: MWIS Snowdonia forecast · Met Office mountain forecast.

About Y Garn

Y Garn is a 629 m Hewitt, Nuttall and Marilyn east of the Rhinogydd in southern Snowdonia, a quiet summit above the Mawddach valley. More about Y Garn, with the live forecast.

On the lists: Hewitt, Nuttall, Marilyn.

More walks from Dolmelynllyn car park, Ganllwyd

Routes in Peakify's guides that start within 500 m of this one, for another day from the same car park.

Other routes up Y Garn

RouteDistanceAscentTime upGrade
Cwm Mynach eastern ascent2.8 km one way340 m1h 10mHard

In an emergency

Call 999, ask for the police and then mountain rescue. Give your location (the start is at SH 726 243, the summit at SH 702 230), what happened and how many are in your group. If you have no signal for a call, a text to 999 works once you have registered your phone with emergencySMS: text "register" to 999 before you go.

Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths: questions and answers

How far is Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths?

Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths is 4.3 km one way to the summit of Y Garn, with 600 m of ascent. There and back by the same way is about 8.6 km.

How long does Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths take?

About 1h 50m to the summit of Y Garn and 2h 45m there and back by Naismith's rule (5 km/h plus 10 minutes per 100 m of ascent), before stops. A relaxed group takes nearer 3h 20m for the round trip.

How steep is Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths?

The steepest 500 m averages about 22%, starting 2.5 km from the start, and 19% of the way is steeper than 1 in 5. Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths climbs 574 m in all on the track.

Where do you park for Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths?

Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths starts from Dolmelynllyn car park, Ganllwyd (postcode LL40 2TF). The grid reference is SH 726 243. Dolmelynllyn car park, Ganllwyd (SH727243)

Is Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths suitable for beginners?

Not as a first mountain. Peakify grades it Hard: steep, rough ground where a slip matters. Build up on an easier route first.

What time should I start Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths today?

By 13:08 at the latest. Sunset on Y Garn today is 16:53, Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths takes about 2h 45m there and back, and that leaves an hour for stops. Start earlier in winter or if the forecast turns.

Is there a GPX for Ganllwyd and Rhaeadr Ddu forest paths?

Yes. Download it from this page. It is an ascent-only planning track from the start to the summit, plotted on OpenStreetMap paths and not checked on the ground.