Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur up Carnedd Dafydd: route map, distance and time

1,044 m · Snowdonia

Carnedd Dafydd is the second highest summit of the Carneddau, a stony dome above Ogwen with the cliffs of Ysgolion Duon on its north face.

A grade 1 scramble to the summit from Gerlan public footpath.

Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur starts at about 282 m and gains 832 m over 6.2 km to 1,022 m on the track. The first 5 km are the easy part, averaging 5%. The steepest kilometre is the one ending at 6 km, which climbs 460 m at an average of 46%, with a 500 m stretch from 5.5 km at about 59%. It keeps climbing at 12% to the top. About 18% of the way is steeper than 1 in 5, so expect hands-on-knees going and a slow descent.

Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur at a glance

Distance6.2 km one way, to the top
Ascent850 m
Climb on the track832 m up, 92 m down on the way
Start and top of the track214 m to 1,028 m (summit 1,044 m)
Steepest 500 mAbout 59%, from 5.5 km
Steeper than 1 in 518% of the way
Time up2h 40m by Naismith's rule
There and back3h 55m, down the same way
GradeScramble
StartGerlan public footpath
Start grid referenceSH 638 663
Summit grid referenceSH 662 630
ParkingNo checked car park for this start; find lawful parking nearby

Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur map

The track from the start (green) to the summit (blue), with a marker at each kilometre.

Height profile and getting to the start

Start 282 m6.2 km to the top
Start grid ref SH 638 663 · Driving directions · By bus or train

Near the start

From OpenStreetMap, within 2 km. Check opening times before you rely on them.

Download the Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur GPX

Ascent only: plan your way down. A planning track, not checked on the ground; it doesn't show safe scrambling moves. Track data © OpenStreetMap contributors (ODbL), heights from a terrain model.

Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur kilometre by kilometre

Height, climb and average gradient for each kilometre of the track, with a grid reference at the end of each one to check your position on the map.

AtHeightClimbGradientGrid ref
1 km230 m-52 m-5%SH 636 660
2 km328 m+98 m10%SH 643 655
3 km420 m+91 m9%SH 652 651
4 km447 m+27 m3%SH 659 644
5 km539 m+93 m9%SH 664 637
6 km999 m+460 m46% steepSH 664 631
6.2 km1,022 m+23 m12%SH 662 630

How long Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur takes

PaceTo the topThere and back
Brisk 6 km/h, 8 min per 100 m up2h 10m3h 10m
Steady (Naismith) 5 km/h, 10 min per 100 m up2h 40m3h 55m
Relaxed 4 km/h, 12 min per 100 m up3h 15m4h 50m

Times leave out stops. Coming down the same way, the table counts the ascent once; steep descents on rough ground can be as slow as the climb.

  • Today: sunrise 07:48, sunset 18:14. Start by 13:19 to be down before dark, allowing 3h 55m for the walk and an hour for stops.
  • Tomorrow: sunrise 07:49, sunset 18:11. Start by 13:16 to be down before dark, allowing 3h 55m for the walk and an hour for stops.

Carnedd Dafydd summit weather for this route

  • Marginal Today Sunday 18 October

    Overcast, up to 4°C at the summit, feeling as cold as -5°C, summit wind 25 mph gusting 31 mph, 21% chance of rain. Rated Marginal. Sunrise 07:48, sunset 18:14.

  • Marginal Tomorrow Monday 19 October

    Dense drizzle, up to 5°C at the summit, feeling as cold as -4°C, summit wind 36 mph gusting 45 mph, 73% chance of rain. Rated Marginal. Sunrise 07:49, sunset 18:11.

Best day of the next seven for Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur: Sunday 18 October, with summit gusts around 31 mph and a 21% chance of rain.

Cloud inversion tomorrow morning: 2% (Low), best around 04:00. 7-day inversion outlook.

Hour-by-hour Carnedd Dafydd forecast · 14-day forecast · Is it safe to climb Carnedd Dafydd?

Before you go, also check: MWIS Snowdonia forecast · Met Office mountain forecast.

What to take today

  • An insulated jacket, hat and warm gloves: it feels like -5°C on top.
  • A waterproof jacket. It can rain on the tops in any forecast.
  • A windproof layer, and poles for balance in gusts to 31 mph.
  • Microspikes for icy paths. In snow, an ice axe and crampons and the skills to use them.
  • Map and compass, and the skills to use them. A phone is a backup, not a plan.
  • A head torch, food, water, a charged phone and a small first aid kit.

About Carnedd Dafydd

Carnedd Dafydd is the second highest summit of the Carneddau, a stony dome above Ogwen with the cliffs of Ysgolion Duon on its north face. More about Carnedd Dafydd, with the live forecast.

On the lists: Furth, Hewitt, Nuttall, HuMP.

Extend the walk: tops near the summit

Challenges that include Carnedd Dafydd

More walks from Gerlan public footpath

Routes in Peakify's guides that start within 500 m of this one, for another day from the same car park.

Other routes up Carnedd Dafydd

RouteDistanceAscentTime upGrade
Ogwen via Cwm Lloer and Pen yr Ole Wen4.4 km one way770 m2h 10mModerate
South-west ridge from Ogwen and Carneddau ridge3.5 km one way790 m2h 0mHard

In an emergency

Call 999, ask for the police and then mountain rescue. Give your location (the start is at SH 638 663, the summit at SH 662 630), what happened and how many are in your group. If you have no signal for a call, a text to 999 works once you have registered your phone with emergencySMS: text "register" to 999 before you go.

Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur: questions and answers

How far is Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur?

Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur is 6.2 km one way to the summit of Carnedd Dafydd, with 850 m of ascent. There and back by the same way is about 12.4 km.

How long does Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur take?

About 2h 40m to the summit of Carnedd Dafydd and 3h 55m there and back by Naismith's rule (5 km/h plus 10 minutes per 100 m of ascent), before stops. A relaxed group takes nearer 4h 50m for the round trip.

How steep is Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur?

The steepest 500 m averages about 59%, starting 5.5 km from the start, and 18% of the way is steeper than 1 in 5. Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur climbs 832 m in all on the track.

Where do you park for Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur?

Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur starts from Gerlan public footpath. The grid reference is SH 638 663. No checked car park for this start; find lawful parking nearby

Is Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur suitable for beginners?

No. It is a scramble: you use your hands on rock, often with big drops below. Go with someone experienced, on a dry and calm day, or take Ogwen via Cwm Lloer and Pen yr Ole Wen instead.

What time should I start Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur today?

By 13:19 at the latest. Sunset on Carnedd Dafydd today is 18:14, Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur takes about 3h 55m there and back, and that leaves an hour for stops. Start earlier in winter or if the forecast turns.

Is there a GPX for Crib Lem / Llech Ddu Spur?

Yes. Download it from this page. It is an ascent-only planning track from the start to the summit, plotted on OpenStreetMap paths and not checked on the ground.